Married life isn’t always simple forJoel MaddenandNicole Richie.In a new interview on Wednesday’s episode ofThe Drew Barrymore Show, the Good Charlotte musician opened up about how him and Richie have worked to make their relationship last.“I’ve watched Nicole navigate — 17 years now, we’ve been together,” said Madden, 44, who started dating Richie, 42, in 2006 before they tied the knot in 2010.Joel Madden and Nicole Richie in West Hollywood on Nov. 11, 2023.Monica Schipper/GettyThe pair shares two children, daughter Harlow, 15, and son Sparrow, 13, and Madden told hostDrew Barrymorethey “got lucky” with their family.“I always tell my kids, ‘You make it so easy to be a dad.’ They’re just good kids,” continued theInk Masterstar. “They’re great, and I think they’re like their mom.““We don’t pretend to be perfect either,” added Madden. “I think we’re all human.“Drew Barrymore and Joel Madden.The Drew Barrymore Show/Ash BeanMadden said he feels “lucky” to have a tight-knit relationship with his twin brotherBenji, who married actressCameron Diazin 2015. “They have a beautiful relationship,” Joel explained, before expressing that he’s grateful “to have this growing family of good people that also are imperfect and not trying to present like we have it all figured out.“Barrymore then noted that everybody has to “work on ourselves,” suggesting Joel and Richie must do the same. “We go to therapy — lots of therapy,” he replied.Earlier this month,Joel called Richie his “queen"while discussing their lasting relationship in an interview onThe Tamron Hall Show. “The only thing I’ve done longer than 17 years is the band,” he told Hall, adding that she’s “been the greatest partner and you know, I feel lucky.“Joel Madden and Nicole Richie in Beverly Hills in February 2020.Frazer Harrison/GettyNever miss a story — sign up forPEOPLE’s free daily newsletterto stay up-to-date on the best of what PEOPLE has to offer, from juicy celebrity news to compelling human interest stories.Madden continued, “But I think – you know, you’re talking about putting yourself out there and I think you can put yourself out there in the wrong way too. So you have to love yourself first and I think you have to put yourself out there in the right way.“Last year, Richie opened up toET Canadaabout whether there’s a secret to her long marriage ahead of their 12-year anniversary. “I don’t have a secret. We just let each other be ourselves,” she said. “We have fun.”
Married life isn’t always simple forJoel MaddenandNicole Richie.
In a new interview on Wednesday’s episode ofThe Drew Barrymore Show, the Good Charlotte musician opened up about how him and Richie have worked to make their relationship last.
“I’ve watched Nicole navigate — 17 years now, we’ve been together,” said Madden, 44, who started dating Richie, 42, in 2006 before they tied the knot in 2010.
Joel Madden and Nicole Richie in West Hollywood on Nov. 11, 2023.Monica Schipper/Getty

Monica Schipper/Getty
The pair shares two children, daughter Harlow, 15, and son Sparrow, 13, and Madden told hostDrew Barrymorethey “got lucky” with their family.
“I always tell my kids, ‘You make it so easy to be a dad.’ They’re just good kids,” continued theInk Masterstar. “They’re great, and I think they’re like their mom.”
“We don’t pretend to be perfect either,” added Madden. “I think we’re all human.”
Drew Barrymore and Joel Madden.The Drew Barrymore Show/Ash Bean

The Drew Barrymore Show/Ash Bean
Madden said he feels “lucky” to have a tight-knit relationship with his twin brotherBenji, who married actressCameron Diazin 2015. “They have a beautiful relationship,” Joel explained, before expressing that he’s grateful “to have this growing family of good people that also are imperfect and not trying to present like we have it all figured out.”
Barrymore then noted that everybody has to “work on ourselves,” suggesting Joel and Richie must do the same. “We go to therapy — lots of therapy,” he replied.
Earlier this month,Joel called Richie his “queen"while discussing their lasting relationship in an interview onThe Tamron Hall Show. “The only thing I’ve done longer than 17 years is the band,” he told Hall, adding that she’s “been the greatest partner and you know, I feel lucky.”
Joel Madden and Nicole Richie in Beverly Hills in February 2020.Frazer Harrison/Getty

Frazer Harrison/Getty
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Madden continued, “But I think – you know, you’re talking about putting yourself out there and I think you can put yourself out there in the wrong way too. So you have to love yourself first and I think you have to put yourself out there in the right way.”
Last year, Richie opened up toET Canadaabout whether there’s a secret to her long marriage ahead of their 12-year anniversary. “I don’t have a secret. We just let each other be ourselves,” she said. “We have fun.”
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